I 🙏 Dr Dan Ninio opens his eyes, mind and heart. His attitude ‘shit happens’ is a huge kick in the guts to the vaccine injured and those who have lost loved ones to SADs. He was quick to dismiss factual evidence and never backed up his own statements with a data source. Bring on the debate, this conversation is long overdue🥳
Agreed. The “shit happens” comments were frankly, unprofessional. Imagine hearing that if you were one of the injured or had family members injured. Terrible bed side manner.
The “shit happens” refrain repeatedly echoed by the “mainstream guy” in the “debate” was an unintelligent response for someone who reminded us on a number of occasions that he was an “intelligent guy” and highly educated. Shit happens, eh Daniel Ninio? Same applies to you when your 5 jabs run their course.
We should not care about persuading Daniel Ninio (the “mainstream guy”) to resile from his views and beliefs over Covid and the injectables. After a second viewing of the “debate” with Cafe Locked Out, it is apparent he is a true believer and Covid cultist and beyond any capacity to critically evaluate his belief system.
As with all such Narrative-adherents, it is sometimes hard to differentiated between the true believers and the cunning deceivers. Perhaps the "cultist" mindset is strongest in those who at some stage of their lives didn't fit in and worked really hard to achieve "mainstream guy" status?
Totally this. If you listen to Dr Desmet he speaks of exactly this also. Holding fast to the group think because they feel part of something bigger and accepted, rather than feeling marginalized as they have felt most of their lives. The fact he repeats “I’m a mainstream guy” over and over is a huge red flag. Subconsciously reinforcing something for his own benefit maybe.
Did Dr Dan declare his conflicts of interest with regards to the pharmaceutical industry or his job/medical license depending on saying certain things?
Good point, but such things may be off the radar screen of this doctor, who seemed more concerned that we "get inside the heads" of those terribly stressed politicians and AHPRAticians who, of course, have no conflicts of interest either and are steadfastly focussed on the "greater-good". Nothing to see here. Everyone did "their best under the circumstances", ho hum...
Using the word debate is drawing s as really long bow. From what I could tell Dr Dan just gave us his opinion. Virtually no back up or evidence provided to substantiate his claims. From Dr Dan It came across very much like a “believe me, I’m a doctor.” He seemed unprepared and I highly doubt he is used to needing to provide source for anything he normally says. This wasn’t the debate I was hoping for, more like the other side pontificating.
Thank you Phillip for the marathon critique of the "factual" basis for Dr Dan's statements. Such statements provide valuable material from which to try to comprehend what many doctors, amazingly, still seem to believe.
Apart from the usual Narrative misinformation and ignorance/willful blindness, there were some interesting idiosyncratic clues about his philosophical standpoint and why the PsyOp was, and remains, so successful: (i) he states "I trust the government", and also seems to have complete faith in medical journals being unbiased and trustworthy (ii) "Covid was going to kill my elderly father in a nursing home" (he kept coming back to his feelings of terror watching the early MSM footage/reports)(iii) he believes the "greater-good" propaganda: ("you've got to accept a level of tyranny to prevent death"), seemed to have little trouble empathising with poor Dan Andrews and other policy decision makers but didn't display much ability to get inside the heads of those doctors who support individualised medicine and the Nuremberg Code (iv) he repeatedly affirmed his "mainstream guy" identity, which perhaps revealed his need to "fit in", and/or be seen as part of "the consensus" (reminiscent of the "97% agree..." meme).
Because such beliefs form a mutually supporting web it does seem like such people inhabit a parallel universe. I hope you get an opportunity to debate/converse with those like Dan across the chasm and that we all learn some ways to destabilise the web.
That dr Dan needs to be asked if he actually treated those early patients of his or did like other dr's in Australia refuse to even see patients with +ve RAT test! and send them home with not even an asprin and did he bother to read the VAERS data! that even the CDC and FDA say is under reported has More death and serious adverse events than ALL THE OTHER Vaccines in HISTORY!
He had a choice safe, affordable treatement Vs experimental drug with SHOCKING Safety studies... he chose.... ?????
Dr William Bay wasn't a good opponent. Skimming through it I don't think he mentioned regulatory capture, political corruption, control of high-impact journals, designed-to-fail trials or numerous other, independent positive trials. Meanwhile the cardiologist dismissed the officially non-covid deaths as being due to covid, and referred to "the manufacturer" of ivermectin "flogging" its product, when we all know it's off patent so there is no one manufacturer.
All in all, Dr William Bay was not well-prepared, seemed afraid to say the word "coercion" and was far too polite to someone who claimed to know all the arguments.
During the debate, Dr Ninio didn't seem to be aware that the "vaccination" programme was a clinical trial. He offered no data, whereas Dr Bay spoke logically and backed himself up with concrete examples and lived experience. Dr Altman, I watched your response to the debate and found it edifying. All the relevant data presented in one podcast. Just brilliant.
Excellent presentation Dr. Altman! I thought Dr. Dan had a very cavalier and unprofessional attitude to this debate with Dr. Bray. I was half expecting that he would sprout... "I AM THE SCIENCE"! His negative remarks re Dr. Phelps and Senator Rennick (or Roberts) in my opinion were defamatory. and if this is the attitude of all mainstream doctors at present, then we should all be running in the opposite direction.
It does appear that turning to truth is a huge challenge for politicians as well as doctors. https://perseus.org.uk/ provides an easy to understand presentation on the covid response in the UK with inocculation safety signal detection failure, lockdown failure, damaging revolving door policies between govt and big corps, and lack of regulation quality. Would you please forward it to Dr Daniel along with the August 18 discussion on The Freeland Report on https://tntradio.live/shows/the-freeman-report-with-james-freeman/ and this link which can't be denied: https://au.jabinjuriesglobal.com/
The inocculations caused harm and there is evidence of benefit apart from financial gain for drug stakeholders. It is imperative now that the stocks have plummetted that a new pandamic be "announced". The complicit government has budgeted for inocculations in 2023-24. There has been no review of the last pandemic. It is time to investigate https://senatorbabet.com.au/vaccine-indemnity-its-time-to-investigate/
The problem I see is Dr Bay comes from the world of 'there are viruses and vaccines are a thing that trigger a B and T cell response' He just does not know enough about this new platform.. I cannot believe not a single GP, Dr or journo has pulled out the pfizer trial data where 3% of the injected died and they did NOT include those who died in the first 2 weeks where 80% die!... Dr Dan is brainwashed by having the whole 'vaccines are the modern miracle of health' for decades when the exact opposite is true.. So anything you build on top of a faulty foundation is always going to be wrong, even if the math checks out, it's still a train wreck. He'll be sorry if he's had a few shots, probably should hurry up the next debate before he starts spinning around and falling over due to too much making your bed the wrong way.
Fantastic effort Dr Altman, a clinical patient well explained effort explaining the truth.
As well as more people dying on the ‘vaccine’ side of the Pfizer trial there were significant more heart issues in the people that died who took the countermeasures
As well as the tragic case of Maddie de Gray
This child was in a trial for the Pfizer’vaccine’ and is now in a wheelchair and yet Pfizer is taking no responsibility.
Sometimes I wonder if there is some data set out there somewhere, or a way of interpreting the data I see, that supports the vaccinicists' perspective. (ie i ask myself: Have I spent too long in a bubble of skeptics?) So here was a chance to find out. But nothing! Nothing but the platitudes put out by the pharma Co.s that are the excuse for "information" about "the science". As Phillip A pointed out, Dr Dan only had feelings to go on, no data analysis at all. No awareness of the statistical illusions (absolute versus relative etc). No idea that subjects who suffered injury were turfed out.
And if the excess deaths are due to covid despite occuring a year+ after the severe covid surge, then why wouldn't it be necessary to obtain data for longer than the short time span of the pfizer trials after which they vaccinated the control group?!
With you on this Jenni. I tuned in waiting for some evidence to be put forward. Some sort of “here is the independent data that supports what I’m saying” but there wasn’t any. Just his opinion. I’ve asked so many times over the last few years for those who have opposing viewpoints to please show me the independent evidence they’re looking at in forming their opinions. But none is ever forthcoming.
It was a US DOD project that used specific legislation to bypass any safety, efficacy and manufacturing standards and FWIU the countermeasures were actually made in China
Pfizer etc we’re paid to put their stamp on them and run half baked trials.
It’s a clusterfuck of gigantic proportions and the Australian Government is in it up to their necks.
It is a clear depopulation and complete human control agenda fully unleashed in our faces.
I 🙏 Dr Dan Ninio opens his eyes, mind and heart. His attitude ‘shit happens’ is a huge kick in the guts to the vaccine injured and those who have lost loved ones to SADs. He was quick to dismiss factual evidence and never backed up his own statements with a data source. Bring on the debate, this conversation is long overdue🥳
Agreed. The “shit happens” comments were frankly, unprofessional. Imagine hearing that if you were one of the injured or had family members injured. Terrible bed side manner.
The “shit happens” refrain repeatedly echoed by the “mainstream guy” in the “debate” was an unintelligent response for someone who reminded us on a number of occasions that he was an “intelligent guy” and highly educated. Shit happens, eh Daniel Ninio? Same applies to you when your 5 jabs run their course.
We should not care about persuading Daniel Ninio (the “mainstream guy”) to resile from his views and beliefs over Covid and the injectables. After a second viewing of the “debate” with Cafe Locked Out, it is apparent he is a true believer and Covid cultist and beyond any capacity to critically evaluate his belief system.
As with all such Narrative-adherents, it is sometimes hard to differentiated between the true believers and the cunning deceivers. Perhaps the "cultist" mindset is strongest in those who at some stage of their lives didn't fit in and worked really hard to achieve "mainstream guy" status?
Yes, you have a point. Perhaps being the “mainstream guy” is a way of fitting in with the majority and maintaining his status.
Totally this. If you listen to Dr Desmet he speaks of exactly this also. Holding fast to the group think because they feel part of something bigger and accepted, rather than feeling marginalized as they have felt most of their lives. The fact he repeats “I’m a mainstream guy” over and over is a huge red flag. Subconsciously reinforcing something for his own benefit maybe.
Did Dr Dan declare his conflicts of interest with regards to the pharmaceutical industry or his job/medical license depending on saying certain things?
Good point, but such things may be off the radar screen of this doctor, who seemed more concerned that we "get inside the heads" of those terribly stressed politicians and AHPRAticians who, of course, have no conflicts of interest either and are steadfastly focussed on the "greater-good". Nothing to see here. Everyone did "their best under the circumstances", ho hum...
>Everyone did "their best under the circumstances"
LOL. Is that what they're running with?
Using the word debate is drawing s as really long bow. From what I could tell Dr Dan just gave us his opinion. Virtually no back up or evidence provided to substantiate his claims. From Dr Dan It came across very much like a “believe me, I’m a doctor.” He seemed unprepared and I highly doubt he is used to needing to provide source for anything he normally says. This wasn’t the debate I was hoping for, more like the other side pontificating.
Thank you Phillip for the marathon critique of the "factual" basis for Dr Dan's statements. Such statements provide valuable material from which to try to comprehend what many doctors, amazingly, still seem to believe.
Apart from the usual Narrative misinformation and ignorance/willful blindness, there were some interesting idiosyncratic clues about his philosophical standpoint and why the PsyOp was, and remains, so successful: (i) he states "I trust the government", and also seems to have complete faith in medical journals being unbiased and trustworthy (ii) "Covid was going to kill my elderly father in a nursing home" (he kept coming back to his feelings of terror watching the early MSM footage/reports)(iii) he believes the "greater-good" propaganda: ("you've got to accept a level of tyranny to prevent death"), seemed to have little trouble empathising with poor Dan Andrews and other policy decision makers but didn't display much ability to get inside the heads of those doctors who support individualised medicine and the Nuremberg Code (iv) he repeatedly affirmed his "mainstream guy" identity, which perhaps revealed his need to "fit in", and/or be seen as part of "the consensus" (reminiscent of the "97% agree..." meme).
Because such beliefs form a mutually supporting web it does seem like such people inhabit a parallel universe. I hope you get an opportunity to debate/converse with those like Dan across the chasm and that we all learn some ways to destabilise the web.
That dr Dan needs to be asked if he actually treated those early patients of his or did like other dr's in Australia refuse to even see patients with +ve RAT test! and send them home with not even an asprin and did he bother to read the VAERS data! that even the CDC and FDA say is under reported has More death and serious adverse events than ALL THE OTHER Vaccines in HISTORY!
He had a choice safe, affordable treatement Vs experimental drug with SHOCKING Safety studies... he chose.... ?????
Thanks, I enjoyed your answers - it provide a fantastic summary of convid
Dr William Bay wasn't a good opponent. Skimming through it I don't think he mentioned regulatory capture, political corruption, control of high-impact journals, designed-to-fail trials or numerous other, independent positive trials. Meanwhile the cardiologist dismissed the officially non-covid deaths as being due to covid, and referred to "the manufacturer" of ivermectin "flogging" its product, when we all know it's off patent so there is no one manufacturer.
All in all, Dr William Bay was not well-prepared, seemed afraid to say the word "coercion" and was far too polite to someone who claimed to know all the arguments.
During the debate, Dr Ninio didn't seem to be aware that the "vaccination" programme was a clinical trial. He offered no data, whereas Dr Bay spoke logically and backed himself up with concrete examples and lived experience. Dr Altman, I watched your response to the debate and found it edifying. All the relevant data presented in one podcast. Just brilliant.
Excellent presentation Dr. Altman! I thought Dr. Dan had a very cavalier and unprofessional attitude to this debate with Dr. Bray. I was half expecting that he would sprout... "I AM THE SCIENCE"! His negative remarks re Dr. Phelps and Senator Rennick (or Roberts) in my opinion were defamatory. and if this is the attitude of all mainstream doctors at present, then we should all be running in the opposite direction.
These are the covid 19 standing recommendations even though there has been no review of the last pandemic response. https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/who-covid-19-standing-recommendations
It does appear that turning to truth is a huge challenge for politicians as well as doctors. https://perseus.org.uk/ provides an easy to understand presentation on the covid response in the UK with inocculation safety signal detection failure, lockdown failure, damaging revolving door policies between govt and big corps, and lack of regulation quality. Would you please forward it to Dr Daniel along with the August 18 discussion on The Freeland Report on https://tntradio.live/shows/the-freeman-report-with-james-freeman/ and this link which can't be denied: https://au.jabinjuriesglobal.com/
The inocculations caused harm and there is evidence of benefit apart from financial gain for drug stakeholders. It is imperative now that the stocks have plummetted that a new pandamic be "announced". The complicit government has budgeted for inocculations in 2023-24. There has been no review of the last pandemic. It is time to investigate https://senatorbabet.com.au/vaccine-indemnity-its-time-to-investigate/
The problem I see is Dr Bay comes from the world of 'there are viruses and vaccines are a thing that trigger a B and T cell response' He just does not know enough about this new platform.. I cannot believe not a single GP, Dr or journo has pulled out the pfizer trial data where 3% of the injected died and they did NOT include those who died in the first 2 weeks where 80% die!... Dr Dan is brainwashed by having the whole 'vaccines are the modern miracle of health' for decades when the exact opposite is true.. So anything you build on top of a faulty foundation is always going to be wrong, even if the math checks out, it's still a train wreck. He'll be sorry if he's had a few shots, probably should hurry up the next debate before he starts spinning around and falling over due to too much making your bed the wrong way.
Fantastic effort Dr Altman, a clinical patient well explained effort explaining the truth.
As well as more people dying on the ‘vaccine’ side of the Pfizer trial there were significant more heart issues in the people that died who took the countermeasures
As well as the tragic case of Maddie de Gray
This child was in a trial for the Pfizer’vaccine’ and is now in a wheelchair and yet Pfizer is taking no responsibility.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6319032926112
Sometimes I wonder if there is some data set out there somewhere, or a way of interpreting the data I see, that supports the vaccinicists' perspective. (ie i ask myself: Have I spent too long in a bubble of skeptics?) So here was a chance to find out. But nothing! Nothing but the platitudes put out by the pharma Co.s that are the excuse for "information" about "the science". As Phillip A pointed out, Dr Dan only had feelings to go on, no data analysis at all. No awareness of the statistical illusions (absolute versus relative etc). No idea that subjects who suffered injury were turfed out.
And if the excess deaths are due to covid despite occuring a year+ after the severe covid surge, then why wouldn't it be necessary to obtain data for longer than the short time span of the pfizer trials after which they vaccinated the control group?!
With you on this Jenni. I tuned in waiting for some evidence to be put forward. Some sort of “here is the independent data that supports what I’m saying” but there wasn’t any. Just his opinion. I’ve asked so many times over the last few years for those who have opposing viewpoints to please show me the independent evidence they’re looking at in forming their opinions. But none is ever forthcoming.
Unfortunately it’s much worse.
It was a US DOD project that used specific legislation to bypass any safety, efficacy and manufacturing standards and FWIU the countermeasures were actually made in China
Pfizer etc we’re paid to put their stamp on them and run half baked trials.
It’s a clusterfuck of gigantic proportions and the Australian Government is in it up to their necks.
It is a clear depopulation and complete human control agenda fully unleashed in our faces.