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I too follow Dr Yeadon , but I also follow Dr Tess Lawrie....She explains the study Dr Yeadon refers to and refutes it's methodology and relevence. I myself consulted the Australian DAEN on the adverse reactions to Ivermectin and they were negligible especially compared to the murderous covid poisons or " run death is near ".....given that the overdosed mice ( the same stunt used to discredit HCQ ) regained some of that lost fertility when they stopped being overdosed on ivermectin , to this layman , I'll take the risk on ivermectin over experimental gene altering poisons anyday.....and at least these two honourable scientists can be heard by all.....that is how it should be....!🙏

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To add some context here, Yeadon is also now convinced that there was no novel virus involved at all in the "pandemic". He then attached Tess Lawrie for continuing to promote ivermectin because, if there was no virus, promoting anything was pointless. He claims he had challenged her to debate the issue but she no not answered any of his mails.

It might be that this ian extension of the above argument?

As an aside, I would like to see BOTH issues debated because I think he may very well be right about the lack of a novel virus. I suspect that BOTH sides of this debate might be correct because it could have been either a deliberately released RNA sequence created in a lab or the vaccine itself that was the "weapon". Certainly the first wave of deaths pre-mod-mRNA were largely iatrogenic and the major peaks in excess deaths came after the "vaccines" were released. So there might have been "something" but not a live virus or there may have been nothing. Technically both sides would be correct. Sasha Latypova got into this issue in detail in her recent post on "Anthrax is not Anthrax", which is worth the time to read carefully.

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I follow Yeadon

I don't think there was a virus

Howe I understood that ivermectin worked like a anti inflammatory for people with the flu etc

So that’s what it’s benefit was

I am not sure Yeadon is right or wrong about this but I am pretty sure no one leaned on him

IMO he as honest as the day is long

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I share your view that Mike Yeadon is a decent and honest person. I also believe that given his background, he should be taken seriously. That's why I think it's important that he and Tess Lawrie DO debate these issues in public because they get further towards some of the key issues involved.

Do read the Sasha Latypova article I referenced, it is I think an important one.

And if, as I theorised earlier, there was "something" (a chimeric RNA sequence entirely lab-made so not a living virus which was deliberately released and spread) they could BOTH be technically correct on the "virus or no virus" issue and also partially both correct on ivermectin, in that its anti-inflammatory properties could still have been useful under my above scenario, but obviously that does not speak to the part of the fertility issue. Which does need to be clarified.

My above working hypothesis also suggests that the entire debate regarding the binary option shoved through the Overton window (Accidental release at WIV versus zoonotic) was a (very clever) deliberate distraction. As in - Oh, look over there, a squirrel! I've never thought that the "evidence" of an "accidental" release at WIV was compelling and might have been a set-up to draw attention from the fact that all the work in Wuhan was available also in US labs. And, from personal experience of BSL facilities, I can assure anyone that BSL level-4 facilities do NOT just "leak". They are designed to be human idiot-proof and WIV was a state-of-the-art French design.

I have a further interest in this debate due to personal circumstances. I live in Bali and in the first week of January 2020, I came down with a respiratory "flu-like" infection which knocked me out like I have never known before. I spent a week in bed with a sore throat, cough and fever which I can normally "sweat out" after two days at the most. At the time, Bali had two daily direct flights from Wuhan and I am quite sure that I became infected in a local Supermarket from a group of Chinese tourists, one of whom sneezed as I walk ed past. Of course, at that very early time, "Covid" was still unknown, so I just put it down to an extremely bad dose of flu. But additionally, since that time, my sense of smell has never fully returned and varies from dat to day. For full disclosure, I haven't been Covid-vaccinated (I have a scientific education and am a critical thinker) but have never had anything like that since, presumably due to natural immunity to whatever it was. But I'm absolutely sure that it was NOT "Flu" (which incidentally also is NOT a corona virus)

So that's why I personally don't believe there was "nothing" involved, but I also see that it might NOT have been a novel virus but a malevolent genetic sequence deliberately released by "someone" working just as a bioweapon would do. It didn't have to have a high mortality rate because iatrogenics could take care of the early "wave" and the "Vaccines" could take over to complete the operation.

I'm also convinced that this was a globally-coordinated military operation because there's no other explanation for why ALL Western Governments simultaneously dropped their carefully prepared "Pandemic Response contingency Plans" to implement essentially completely contradictory policies. That degree of coordination and discipline is exceptional and could only have been achieved by a military operation under cover of "National security" secrecy provisions, which also helps explain why noone is talking. Interesting that in Australia, the "Official Enquiry" (Yes, I know!) dropped several areas of investigation due to "time constraints", one of which was "The involvement of the Australian Armed Forces in the Covid pandemic". Just saying.

Sorry for the long post but I'm still trying to get to the bottom of these issues. We're getting closer but we need to keep going!

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Incidentally, I also had a long career in the Pharmaceutical Industry on the management side, reaching a senior level after many International postings, mostly in Asia, before taking an early retirement. So I do have industry insights and perspectives to bring to this debate also.

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Interesting that the distractions have prevented you from considering the elephant in the room, aka 5g rollout. Not to mention the tenuous notion of "catching" anything from anyone (see Boston experiment)...

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Out of curiosity have you watched any of JJ Couey's breakdowns on the virus/no virus debate?

Tbh I'm not qualified to debate opinions but his infectious clones idea has merit.

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I subscribe to Sasha Latypova so did read that article

I agree with her on pretty well everything

I don’t think we will ever get to the bottom of it but it appears we agree on much more than we disagree

I don’t need to see any more proof the vaccines are poison or it was deliberately orchestrated by the US DOD who are working on behalf the same people who fund the WEF, WHO etc - Gates is middle management

I have zero medical or scientific

Background nor really any great interest but I do have a good nose for bullshit which has kept me in good stead and I stayed right away from any vaccines

The deeper I looked the more I realised virology is quite the scam which I could sort of understand except for the fact they deliberately harm people and kids in particular for return business - not withstanding that they are also in the depopulation business as well - that’s when it became personal-we are just dirt on their feet

I think this is a good V evil scenario something I would never have dreamed of a few years ago

It’s not the money for these ‘people’, they own the printing presses and everything else, they won’t stop, they have had a plan for a very long time, they will still own everything when the population is far smaller

I read this a couple of years ago

It sums it up for me

Cheers thanks for the reply

https://miriaf.co.uk/farming-is-an-art-culling-is-a-science/

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Bullshit filters are essential in the world we live in if you want to survive!

I think we agree on most things actually. And I agree we will probably never get to the bottom of this because a) it WAS a military operation in which NDAs would be required and it would have been compartmentalized so that very few people (at the very top) would have understood the full game b) they are nonetheless worried about accountability because a lot more information is leaking out than they ever imagined and c) it's no longer about Covid but the mRNA platform. There are Trillions of Dollars on the line because they plan to replace ALL existing vaccines and other drugs with mRNA alternatives. And once the manufacturing technology is in place, these things cost NOTHING to produce because the raw material is bacteria. Especially if you ignore the purification stage. But if the plebs get it into their tiny brains that mod-mRNA = Toxic, it's game over.

So, "Safe and effective" it is all the way, yes Sir!

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Then all that remains is his extreme ambiguity?

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I’m with you philipat! Dr Yeadon insists there is no virus, so what would anyone be treating with Ivermectin? And I did see where he challenged Tess Lawrie to a debate about this, to no avail.

Dr Yeadon insists pandemics do not/have not ever happened. After seeing the great mess since 2020, I don’t need convincing.

I don’t know why he says ivermectin causes infertility, but a study showing this would be interesting. It does seem odd coming from him.

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JJ Couey may be a little wild bit his take is the potential for infectious clones?

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Yeadon got this data from Tim Truth, who has been warning about ivermectin for a long time. He has made his Substacks into a video which lists innumerable awful injuries "caused by" ivermectin. He claims that the dosages recommended by FLCCC for both Covid and prophylaxis far exceed those taken by Africans. If there is a conversation to be had it might be wise to include TT in this (the horse's mouth, so to speak). The overarching thesis is that there are some in the resistance community who were placed there with recommendations of toxic alternatives to the toxic shots, for those who didn't like Narrative A. Whether that's a CT, some potent controlled opposition or the truth remains to be explored...https://substack.com/@timtruth

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"Tim Truth"? My general rule is that, when you need to put it in the name, then the opposite is true.

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Yes, LOL, when I went to his YT and Substacks, the flavour was FEAR, FEAR and more FEAR. And funnily enough, when I Google "who exactly is Tim Truth", I don't get the smear-tactics that are all over Yeadon. It's an interesting exercise to Google "who exactly is....?" and see which of our "truth tellers" come up squeaky clean and which are labelled as "antiV", "misinfo..." etc. Might be some information there, eh?

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Indeed!

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That guy is radical and stricken with paranoia against Ivermectin.

He attacked me and someone else chatting on his live stream about Ivermectin! Two or so years ago. 😳

There was a lot of chatting but he wants his viewers to agree to his analysis of ivermectin.

If you don’t agree to his narrative, he will attack.

Scared the hell out of me so I jumped off and said FU!

Oh hell no 😡 calling you out in front of the chat like that was a hateful attack and so unprofessional!

NARCISSISTIC BEHAVIOR!

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I hope I am wrong, but I suspect Dr Yeadon has been leaned on, paid off, or some other nefarious intervention has occurred to make Dr Yeadon come out so strongly against Ivermectin, which in the early days of Covid he was championing as an early treatment? If it's AI, as some are suggesting, why hasn't Dr Yeadon come out & said so ?

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I'd say leaned on.... he had many opportunities to get paid...

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And still does.

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I think he's a bit unstable do to what he already knew. Meaning everything he's seeing he may well be over stimulated and he just needs a few to get his feet back on the ground. I've seen it many times when people come to the realization of a conspiracy theory come true, they grasp everything during the red pill moment. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water but I will watch with caution... Then again, there are people here with the intent to muddy waters to where the rest of us get somewhat distracted.. time will tell..

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Clear streams have always beat muddy waters in my experience.

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I first saw the video on Tim Truth's Substack, and immediately commented that Dr. Yeadon's assertions did not sound reasonable, because if it was such a good population reduction tool, why would the Bill Gates-dominated WHO only recommend once-a-year doses of Ivermectin (over a course of a decade or more) for eradication of river blindness. A day later, the following article appeared:

https://makismd.substack.com/p/ivermectin-is-under-attack-again

In which Dr. Makis considers the results of a number of animal tests with Ivermectin along with one in human, that checked for effects on fertility.

In some cases, fertility was improved by Ivermectin.

Please have a look at the above link for rather convincing argument against Dr. Yeadon's assertion.

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Tim Truth seems to have joined the opposition, due to his attacks on ivermectin, vitamin D3 and methylene blue.

Something does not add up with these attempts to smear these treatments.

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We have to understand that there are not just two "camps" of medicos with different philosophical foundations. Even I fell for this initially, and saw the "freedom doctors" on Substack as being far more independent of mainstream druggist medicine than they actually are. It took a long time for the penny to drop, that they are just doctors who want more rights to administer drugs as they see fit, rather than as they are bureaucratically controlled.

My preferred medicine, on the other hand, is some form of holistic medicine, applied uniquely to each individual, and they NEVER even looked like offering that. Even while they threw a few neutraceuticals at a problem, they never transformed from reductionist medicine to holistic medicine. In fact, during the early days of covid, up until now, there is still NO noise coming from the holistic camp. Why does this matter? The treatments you list above, Ivermectin, vitamin D3 and methylene blue, are dangerous chemicals like all drugs (even D3 as prescribed by doctors, is not natural). No self-respecting holistic practitioner, would ever, given a choice, use any of them. They all come with potential toxicities that can undo the good they can do.

So what we have now, is a very ill defined war, between genuinely holistic practitioners who really have not dealt well with the covid problem at all, and renegade druggists who just want to do druggist medicine without bureaucratic intervention.

But that said, where does Yeadon fit? I have no idea. He has fallen through all the cracks and orphaned himself from each of the camps that I can detect. And that cannot be a good thing. He is not making sense according to any standpoint that I know of.

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Well said! McCullough is another who often appears to be straddling both sides of the fence, especially with his TWC.

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Yes, and he has clearly exposed himself as a devotee of reductionist drug/chemical interventions. Doctors have a habit of using neutraceuticals in the same way they use drugs, when the evidence of efficacy is strong enough.

So some use berberine instead of metformin because berberine works as well as metformin with less side effects. But the process is still allopathic - it is throwing a chemical at a problem to force the body to behave - to repress the symptoms. Neither berberine nor metformin "cure" insulin resistance. They both just force the cells to accept more insulin/sugar than they want to accept. Turmeric/curcurmin is used the same way for arthritic pain, but it does not cure arthritis. Vitamin D is used in the same way to reverse low vitamin D levels in the blood without asking whether the vitamin D can be used by the body. In fact the D that we eat or absorb from sunlight, and that is measured in the blood, still has to go through chemical changes before it can perform the functions it is supposed to perform. Even if other simple nutrients, like magnesium, are missing, D cannot do what it is supposed to do, despite high or acceptable blood levels. At this point, if it cannot be used, it can become toxic.

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Quite right! We are still dominated by the allopathic model of medicine in both research and treatment since the 1800s if not before; much of the history of medical science reveals colossal fraud and cover-ups in order to perpetuate false paradigms where money, power and control become more important than the prevention of disease and promotion of human health; but it also takes the collective stupidity of the masses to continue to revere such charlatans from Pasteur to Fauci while ignoring such real historical geniuses such as Bechamp, Rife and Florence Nightingale, to name a few...

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Well they do use d3 as rat poison

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Rats are reportedly unable to regurgitate, and the vit D content of rat poison is extremely high, with the result that it causes excess build-up of calcium in the organs, leading to death. Similarly, in humans, we are warned against taking high doses of vit D as well, or if there is some reason to take a relatively high dose, we need to also take vit K2 along with it, as the K2 helps flush out excess calcium which the high vit D dosage would otherwise cause to accumulate in blood vessel walls.

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Rats are susceptible to high doses of vitamin D, while dogs are poisoned by chocolate.

Humans are not*.

*Unless the doses are truly massive and are not combined with K2.

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all of the above are owned by the big chem , which is also big (P)harma and big AG

Thy food shall be the medicine...

Lawrie - Yeadon

0 - 15

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Dr Makis' article seems to be behind a paywall, which is a pity

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I suggest a critical look into the history, the players within that history and without rose coloured glasses on.

I also find it interesting that another "sacred cow" has deteriorated into another round of ad hominem attacks, rather than actual assessment.😉

Fact is, science has been bought and paid for by the highest bidder for so long, that I find it surprising that others still believe that pure science exists in the public realm. I believe there are pure hearted scientists, conducting pure science, but they are certainly not the folks getting funded😉

#theylied #whynotthis #disprovethenull #wearemany #wearememory #mistakeswereNOTmade #getnoisy #getlocalised

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Exactly right!

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Two letters: A.I.

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Wow, just reading the comments shows the utter brainwashing of the masses that has occurred! Don’t question or do your own research guys…..as the ‘freedom doctors’ know - just continue taking your big pharma drugs to treat that positive PCR result, to save yourself from the sniffles.

Why don’t you actually take the time to read Dr Yeadon’s content on his Telegram/Substack accounts first, before claiming he’s lost his faculties. He is banned everywhere else ….hmmmm I wonder why that is?

He has been right from the start, this is a mass poisoning/depopulation and control event that has been running for more than a century. He has made his fortune and is retired and is not being ‘leaned’ on by anyone and if you took the time to do your own research you would know this. The ‘freedom drs’ that you have outsourced your knowledge to are the ones who continue to peddle big pharma drugs for non-existent diseases and are traveling the world like rock stars.

Yeadon’s arguments are very clear:

1. There is no evidence of a spreading pathogenic virus and therefore there is absolutely no requirement for any treatment for a fictitious Covid disease - Dr Lawrie is aware of this and that’s why she has steered away from saying it treats Covid!

2. All big pharma drugs have side effects as they are not natural! They are all produced by the same people who are aiming to depopulate the world. Those same people give awards ‘noble prizes’ - Ivermectin/mRNA (any alarms ringing?).

3. The fake virus narratives including Malaria allow them to push ‘treatments’ to the masses. What do you actually think they are putting in these drugs and why would Gates and The WHO be so actively involved in Africa?

4. The ‘Freedom doctors’ that continue to bury their heads in the sand at this point are working to line their pockets and it is obvious now, especially over the last 4 years that they know absolutely nothing about health.

All of us, even Yeadon have spent a lifetime believing false narratives of spreading viral infectious diseases, but we have now awoken to the lies. There is no evidence.

It is very clear now to see who is compromised, bought out and scientifically illiterate and it ain’t Yeadon.

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Thanks Dave. My opinion too. Have been following the whole controversy since inception over 4 years ago. It's taken Mike Yeadon a long time to come up with this idea. Frankly more Bullshit!

Fertility in cows 8ncreases with Ivermectin use

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Thank you, Margaret. Perhaps Dr Yeadon is becoming more concerned about his own security. In my opinion, the ones who should be concerned - about themselves - are the shills and corrupt politicians. The wrath of the public awaits.

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Thanks

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A few months bags Sage Hanna’s stack had volumes of info on river blindness and Ivermectin

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There are many others who now this - Amanda Volmer for one - I start at - no man made drugs for me. They play the long game - if you look closely at most of the programs they run - Covid - Spanish Flu Bird Flu - AIDS - Climate Change - they all end up with less of us - coincidence - I don't think so.

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Its sus enough to have the subject exhumed. Dr John Campbell did a good vid on IVM at the height of the debacle not to mention its common use in the veterinary industry and been in use long enough for anything to have risen long ago. Thumbscrews or dirt comes to mind. Also coincides with a resent announcement by Aus gov to invest millions in mrna?

https://t.co/aPrqEiTxKx Sky news 24/8

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For what it's worth, Our World In Data does show a definitive, long term decline in birth rates for "Africa (UN)", with the curve steepening markedly from around the mid 80's, but not sure how that may tie in to concurrent morbidity/mortality data for women of child bearing age. But it does give me pause for thought.

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Of note, most 'vaccines' are trialled in poor African nations - often the vaccines are attached to 'foreign aid'. Frankly big Pharma has been 'killing with kindness' for decades.

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Good point.

Time will tell

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Was Yeadon ever injected with something in his past?

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Tim Truth's career and educational background are not available.

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Indeed, Dr Yeadon has been a voice for reason since the beginning of this catastrophe, for him to come out saying something this nonsensical makes no sense at all.. hope he talks to Dr Lawrie

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